So a league average pitcher in a normal year? Ramirez is nice to have on your side. They wanted to replace K-Rod. Obviously they like him a lot more than Hand. Sending money worries me a little, but short stop is the priority right now and rightfully so. How is Ohtani’s 37.8 ERA relevant? Iglesias relies heavily on three pitches: a mid-90s fastball, a slider, and a changeup. Math isn’t your strong suit. What was going on with hand is a big drop in velocity. How much longer? The team they signed couldn’t win and they can’t afford the team they signed. finally we got a good GM Be patient give him a little more time he’s slowly Plugging up holes, Also, I am already tired of the “But it’s not Bauer” people. What a complete joke. The end result was the Reds barely making the playoffs due to COVID related playoff expansion and then promptly getting swept. 2026 2025 2024 2023 2022 2021 2020 … He is one of the best closers in baseball. Salary: $42,142,857. Raisel is better but not by a whole lot. Do some research before posting your garbage. Read more at MLB Trade Rumors. Did the Reds decide they need a pitcher that will defend it’s batters that are getting hit? They should have done what the Braves did. You should look at what they did last year before making such comments. And Noe isn’t a scrub. Missed the playoffs by two games. @andrewgauldin, Noe was fine in low to none pressure situations. Because, yes! I’m really sure you are misrepresenting others. Do the math it’s not that hard. They gave up too much for what amounted to 1 season of Trevor Bauer since they weren’t going to contend in 2019 anyway. “All the Iglesias are belong to us” -The Anaheim Angels of Los Angeles. The logical replacement would have been Bradley, but he’s gone, too. A closer and a defensive SS. If you’re a Reds fan you can’t be upset with the team; you should be proud that your team made an attempt. That’s a stretch, over the past 5 years I’ve had him twice on MLB fantasy teams. This team was not truly ready to contend in 2020. Reallocation of resources to address areas of need is a good thing. To his credit, Ramirez did have a nice year in 2019, when he gave the Angels 67 2/3 innings of 3.99 ERA and 3.72 FIP ball with averages of 10.5 K/9 and 2.7 BB/9. Iglesias figures to slot in as the Angels' closer. The PTBNL must be decent because I don’t see how this make much sense for the Reds, especially if they’re sending cash to Anaheim. If “healthy” was used in the statement above or did you miss that part? I do understand the notion of acquiring the best players possible when given the opportunity, but even then, it doesn’t justify that signing. Raisel Iglesias will make $9.125 million in the final season of his three-year, $24.125 million contract, but the Angels are also receiving unspecified cash considerations in the trade. Well…I never claimed they were some type of juggernaut, or whatever. If you’re a Reds fan you can’t be upset with the team; you should be proud that your team made an attempt. Or a new team to objectively look at the Angels. The church fact was noted and repeated when Jose was acquired last week. It’s smart accounting on both ends. He can definitely be great at times but like many closers he can also be wildly inconsistent especially in non save situations. Jeff – definitely a salary dump….Noe Ramirez gives up too many walks and home runs to be anything other than a middle reliever. Is there a holier organization with more birthright now? Minasian Has made a couple of good trades things are looking up The Reds traded closer Raisel Iglesias to the Angels in exchange for righty Noe Ramirez on Monday. Rangers 76-86 I don’t understand this at all. It's unclear who will take over the ninth inning for Cincinnati next season: Amir Garrett and Lucas Sims would have to be considered the current favorites, though it's possible the Reds add a veteran candidate before spring rolls around. The Angels need starting pitching. They were never going to be a favorite for the NL pennant, or whatever. Instead they just decided they wanted the rebuild to be over and spent money like it was. That’s the whole basis for it. Overall? Yes most definitely. Possible landing spots for Jackie Bradley Jr. MLB unveils new format for minor league baseball, Turner, 36, staying in L.A. on reported 2-year, $34M deal, Report: LHP Paxton returns to Mariners on one-year deal, MLB rumors: Yankees in talks with lefty reliever, Cubs agree to bring back Arrieta on one-year deal, Hall of Fame won't have traditional ceremony in 2021. FYI – His last FULL season 2019… He had 12 (TWELVE!!) It’s one thing to go for a division, it’s another to halt and backtrack a rebuild already in progress. But this should help the club so good move. And wow, I didn’t realize how horrible Luis Rivas was during his career. Angels 72-90, A’s 91-61 One of the other posters nailed it he said he can be be absolutely electric at times. You’re about the tenth commenter to post this. ERA + of 125 and 123? Had there been a full season, they could’ve won the division or a normal wild card or yes they may have missed the playoffs: we’ll never know. They finished a 7-year rebuilding campaign last year, snuck into the playoffs with a .517 winning percentage. Stop it. Dalton, who is the real Barria? Iglesias, who will turn 31 years old in January, will make $9.125 million next season before qualifying for free agency. Whew! © 2004-2021 CBS Interactive. If you’re saying that over and over again as a fan you probably need to realize you don’t have any idea of the value of players right now. Clubs that needed gate money got killed, and those are primarily in the Central divisions. But it certainly was competitive. Players like Trout could sign $50m 1-year deals every year, but they make concessions for guaranteed money for the backend of their careers. Or maybe they did and he turned it down but I just don’t find that likely. So the Reds spent the last several seasons trading prospects for major league talent and giving out big contracts in an effort to become competitive… apparently for one whole (or one half, really) season. I’m hoping this move pushes the front office in the direction of feeling better about pulling the trigger to get Lindor or Story. It never made sense and had zero chance to be sustainable. My argument last year is if you Know the Angels starting pitcher’s will suck, then how can you be so sure the A’s starting pitching will be good. Took way too long for someone to point that out. Even though he had great numbers last year, his velocity is declining the past few years. Was the A’s had a better bullpen. As for the player to be named later if there’s a option to take cash instead they are taking cash for sure , probably getting back the cash they are sending lol! The Astros window is almost completely closed. I don’t see why the two need to be mutually exclusive. The Angels had a 5.52 rotation ERA last year. Reason for the Astros: really there isn’t much of a reason to think the Astros will be very competitive. They are not going to get a top prospect back. Gallo super streaky. In my opinion gambling is still going on in the reds organization.at least pete bet on the reds to win but I feel like the gm position of the reds for some years are betting on the side for the reds to lose. Better than the average mop up option out there. They allow base-runners and they blow saves. Despite the fact that you’re absolutely right, someone I’m sure will be along shortly to lecture you on the economics of baseball which will, no doubt, make us all feel better. And Castellanos was 2nd on the team in home runs and RBI. “Isn’t great or good 75% of the time”, Sure if he had a 3 run lead. Two Iglesias, Angels, something about fish. That could be a factor. It’s just like with Archie Bradley, the move isn’t about fielding the best team it’s about reducing salary obligations. Rumored to be trading Gray? Nice job Perry! But the Reds finished 8th in the league in BP ERA, and are dumping their closer and another good RP? If the PTBNL involved in the deal proves to unexpectedly be a prospect of note, the swap might look better, but the Reds have now jettisoned Iglesias and Bradley from an already problematic bullpen. I’m not sure signing Bauer is a smart move by them as they already have massive dead weight contracts on the books as it is and they need multiple guys in the rotation. Now that would have been a good deal for both teams. Position: Pitcher Bats: Right • Throws: Right 6-2, 190lb (188cm, 86kg) . Could have had LH Brad Hand for $10MM without giving up a body. Plus our pitching will probably suck outside of Cody and maybe a few good pickups. Raisel Iglesias was traded to the Los Angeles Angels. #3 Okay, We got it. If more teams operated like this they would win and stay competitive longer. Yes definitely, calling the Rangers lineup overrated is hilarious… it is veiwed as one of the worst in the league. He isn’t a guy you could put in the late game, when it tied or a close game vs good teams, Probably true. Prior to that, they didn’t spend a single game above .500 except for Opening Day. But if the other team keeps hitting your stars, or if they slide late, absolutely flatten your catcher or some other aggressive move, then they need to answer the bell. But in comparison to the other NL Central teams I absolutely do think they compiled a competitive ball club. Your rotation is garbage. that’s OK, since the bullpen covers many roles. So VTDave, you don’t follow the Angels closely. The Braves waited until the young core they drafted a traded for was good enough to win the division before they started signing big players. Not sure the DiD,i at this time in his career, is going to be too excited to play for a team committed to a “rebuild” that most likely will last for at least a couple of seasons….pretty sure he’ll have other offers comparably in salary that will never lead him to accept playing for a team committed to losing! Bullpen? Bauer would be nice but half MLB wants him. Is this a step in right direction? They just keep hating on AA for not blowing up the rebuild, but I am so glad he isn’t weighing the Braves down with BJ Upton and Dan Uggla type of contracts. 106 career saves and 16 career blown saves so that’s 87% save rate. You need new material. Blood pressure meds in Anaheim are now going to sky rocket ! Or the 6.42 ERA in 2019? Yup agreed. Hahahaha….has anyone noticed that the Angels just acquired two guys with the same sur-name? Oops, back to rebuilding. It’s really gotta suck for Reds fans, though. That actually would be awesome if they did that. Thank you for pointing that out. Who says you can’t dream? Thats why I don’t think the PTBNL is someone that is going to hurt for the Angels to see leave. That’s one big step in the right direction. Did you not read any comments? He was way overrated and very inconsistent. Noe Ramirez isn’t a mlb caliber pitcher ! It does, and now the Bradley move almost makes it look like we could have seen the Iglesias trade coming. Then they got swept in a 3 game series. Not a lot of power though? This is a team that went on a slightly warm streak to finish 2 games above .500. Better than the Tigers, and that’s it. =D, Something tells me that PTBNL is going to make halo fans cry. The Reds went for it and failed. AVG Annual: $30,000,000. But your Angel fan buddies are still delusional over the rotation. Maybe the Reds get a choice between a couple of players playing winter ball and get to make their decision after seeing them? I hope he kills it for the Angels; I think part of the reason the reds did this is they feel comfortable with Amir Garrett coming in and being just as effective if not more so at 1/4 the price plus they like he’s a lefty…. 7:26 pm ET, according to MLB Trade Rumors' forecast system, A's sign free-agent relievers Romo, Petit, Important MLB spring training dates to know. In 2021, Pujols will earn a base salary of $30,000,000, while carrying a total salary of $30,000,000. You missed the 8-seed by 2 games. I’m not comparing him to those pitchers but no way can anyone thing those ERA+ is league average. I like when teams take a shot. But the rest of your claims are trash. Keep it rollin’. I didn’t read through all of the 200 comments on the thread but thanks for pointing it out. If you have an ultra wealthy owner willing to take advantage of other teams by going into the red to win, you could have a really good off-season. Angels are collecting players named Iglesias. They can still resign Robles but the difference between the two salaries isn’t great enough to prohibit the Angels from spending on bullpen pieces. I actually think it’s a good move for both teams. The reds are dumping salary to get a good shortstop. And a long shot prospect. But I’m realistic and know how to manage and operate within a budget. I think everyone is for the most part. IJLB – its funny that the reds signing Moose to that deal is (already) so bad, considering so many on here (and other sites) were roasting the brewers for not giving him a similar deal to keep him. Not a big fan of ‘yeah, it was a really bad move, but we get credit for making such a bad move’. The Mets don’t need to sign every FA, but they need to leverage teams cutting payroll. Hahahaha. That’s what all mid market teams should do. The Angels have bigger issues, but it was a nice deal by them. Makes the Bradley non-tender even stranger. Fans expect serious world championship contention for several years after each rebuild and they should. Kayjay- It would be nuts to give up Walsh! I doubt Sandoval’s ERA of 5.65 is even relevant. Baseball Reference? But he’s also wildly inconsistent and can implode especially in NON save situations when the game is typically on the line many other times as well, FYI – His last FULL season 2019… He had 12 (TWELVE!!) Thanks. Trust me, we went through much worse with Hansel Robles, despite what his numbers might look like. The A’s was bottom of the league in starting pitching ERA. For a smaller market team this blueprint was a disaster. Keep building the staff.. 2020 he was quite good. If it’s going to be another condensed season teams are gonna need to have a really good combination of arms that can just throw innings. Just that gives Gallo enough protection to make this offense click. Maybe that last stretch provided more of an insight as to whom they really were. If your last name is Iglesias, there’s a good chance you’re gonna end up in a Angels uniform. This is the second notable trade for the Angels under new general manager Perry Minasian, who last week acquired shortstop Jose Iglesias from the Orioles in exchange for a pair of minor league pitchers. The Angels needed someone. If a good team spends $64 million on a $64 million player they deserve credit. Those are well above league average ERA for starters. I said at the time it was a bad idea to give that much money over 4 years to him. Fans expect closers to be automatic. At least the Reds got something for Iglesias, they flat out gave away Bradley after giving away two prospects for a half-season of him. It’s December 7th and you’re making 2021 final standing predictions. It’s a major league deal, per Mark Sheldon of MLB.com.Garcia could earn a $600K salary … Is there a theme going on here? If they get the 2019 version, well …. Mariners 74-88 $6 million for a guy who lost it 2 years ago. Filthy – “Not for a high leverage situation so much.”. He was “average at best” coming up through the Red Sox farm system and has not changed. Minasian might not be comfortable with that just yet. Wait till your “ closer” is called upon to actually close a game! Everyone’s vernacular is so ambiguous to me. Please let us know if you find any errors, updates, or corrections José Antonio Iglesias Alemán (born January 5, 1990) is a Cuban-born professional baseball shortstop for the Los Angeles Angels of Major League Baseball (MLB). He is wild in the strike zone and can just completely implode. Unsigned players salaries are estimated based on the last three years of salary data: $585.45k for pre-arbitration, $2.42M for 1st-year arb, $3.62M for 2nd-year-arb, $6.13M for 3rd-year-arb, $6.13M for 4th-year-arb. Team: Los Angeles Angels (majors) Born: January 4, 1990 in Isla de la Juventud, Cuba cu Debut: April 12, 2015 (Age 25-098d, 18,434th in MLB history) vs. STL 5.0 IP, 5 H, 4 SO, 2 BB, 3 ER . I think it’s becoming pretty clear that the vacancy at SS will ultimately be filled by a Freddy Galvis again if they’re lucky. He was killing it when he got promoted, if he came up sooner he would’ve probably taken the ROY from my guy Kyle Lewis. The Rangers and Mariners need more pieces than the Angels. Just to look at our offense, we would have a nice mix of hitters style wise: Gallo, super power; Solak, hard line drive hitter; Calhoun, lives in right center gap; IKF, contact hitter with potential to elevate his launch angle; Taveras, speedy contact leadoff hitter; Guzman, hits righties, lefties own him; Trevino, quietly a good bottom of the order bat; Kim, contact hitter with good line drive potential. The Angels, meanwhile, are getting $900K in cash, Mark Feinsand of MLB.com tweets. The Reds were absolutely a viable contender in the NL Central. Perhaps the Reds are hopeful that Ramirez can regain that form, and it’s certainly worth pointing out that he’s controllable through the 2023 season. Man. It creates a huge disparity between good and bad teams. Obviously, they were unprepared for a season ruined due to a pandemic. Curious though. When he is on he’s electric but just be prepared to not have full faith in the guy. I highly doubt it. The Reds were the 7th seed in a sport that usually only allows 4 seeds. The Reds have signed right-hander Edgar Garcia, Bobby Nightengale of the Cincinnati Enquirer reports. He previously played for the Boston Red Sox, Detroit Tigers, Cincinnati Reds, and Baltimore Orioles.Iglesias was an All-Star in 2015. Frankly, now they need Hand. Last year is last year. The Red Sox, like most every other team in baseball, are playing the long game this winter.There hasn’t been a whole lot of action, and aside from a … Barely making the playoffs and getting swept out of the first round is a terrible peak for a rebuild. Old fingers on a small phone screen. :), That PTBNL better be pretty good because that’s a huge downgrade. Rangers29 2019-2020 they get HBP a lot more than they hit other team’s batters. Might as well go all in now, Trout isn’t getting any younger and that Rendon contract is gonna be a drag within a few years. The Cubs and Cardinals are cutting salary as well. Solak gets a real chance or bounced around? Apparently very few commenters read the comments before they post. I guess back at the time before sabermetrics were invented, he probably looked OK on the field for the Twins, but after they were invented, he sucked. It won’t be any of the players you mentioned, probably a player in late teens early 20’s similar to Perry’s other trade for the shortstop Iglesias. Bradley pitched well and they toss him for nothing. You are right in the sense that the Votto contract is clearly the worst of all of them but he was already signed to that mega-deal before last season. that’s not even close… I understand Noe posted a solid 3.00 ERA in 2020 but overall he’s no where near the level of Iglesias. Personally, I read this as *much* more about Covid than I do as a “failed” rebuild. They traded away 3 top 100 prospects, other prospects, and blew their whole wad last offseason to barely squeak into the expanded playoffs. OMG – Did anyone notice that the Angels now have TWO players named Iglesias?! Someone who gets it! Player Salaries. In NON-save situations he has a 3.26 ERA, baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=igles…::none. Iglesias is signed for $9.125MM this coming season and will be a free agent following the 2021 season. The guy who had the 3.41 ERA in 2018. They still could use a lefty in the pen. The second teams were allowed to call themselves “rebuilding” was the second it all started going downhill. Oh, and the third comment (at least) that Iglesias means church. They are going to lose Bauer on top of everything. Nobody wants to put up with multiple years of a bad team when the light at the end of the tunnel is 1 lame first round exit wild card playoff appearance followed by several more bad years. You’re mainly right, but counterpoint: The Cardinals’ deal with Pujols, The problem is not the guy (Votto) who has led the NL in on-base percentage 7 times in his career at a steal of $20M per year. You could field a team full of guys making the league minimum who would win 55 games and be more valuable than the Dodgers when you take into account their salaries. Signing someone for their age 31-34 seasons to play mainly 2nd when said player had less than 50 appearances at the position prior to 2020, makes little sense. I guess Julio Iglesias and Enrique Iglesias are next. Anytime I read someone say that the Votto deal is bad, it tells me that they don’t understand baseball economics. Even though the Reds should’ve gotten MUCH more for Iglesias, time may show that the Reds didn’t lose this trade. All they need now is Julio to complete the trifecta. He earned $2,407,407 in prorated pay from a $6.5 million salary last year in the second option year of a contract that originally guaranteed $10.5 million from 2014-18. No central is currently down to 3 contenders for the next 5 years. I think you’re right that many of us are going to be having that reaction to a whole lot of trades this offseason. Reminds me of Mitch Moreland. If the Reds are just giving guys away, I want the White Sox to make an offer for Gray. Iglasias was not worth 9 million yet the Reds dumped his salary and got two players. Iglesias isn’t great or even good 75% of the time. No doubt. Stop it. Fans think a closers are automatic. :). The Value between Noe and Raisel are quite close when taking into account salary and years of control. Lifetime 106 saves in 122 opportunities=87%. The 3.62 ERA in 2020. I would like to see what Barria could do with 20+ starts. No dog in the fight, but is “being competitive in the central” really justification to end your rebuild, and pull off multiple high cost trades? Some arms throughout the division that could swing the results quite heavily just by getting hurt before April.. @Dalton1017, the A’s and Astros are both losing key players. I watched Noe come through the Red Sox system and was glad when he was traded to the Angels. Opinions aren’t facts. ESPN and Yahoo teams- anyone else who had him on their teams will tell you: he will drive you crazy. He can!). Minasian has helped build really good bullpens in Atlanta. I feel terrible for every player forced to come up in their system. Reds are the worst ran team in baseball by a mile. I just see it all as extremely poor timing all around for them. It will be a non-prospect, trust me. Jon Morosi @jonmorosi. Or, put another way, They could signed Bauer, Iglesias, and Archie Bradley, for the same money used to sign Castellanos, Moose, and Akiyama? Iglesias and his $9.125 million salary for 2021 is off the books. Iglesias doesn’t have as much value as you think. Could see a better season, but a lot of questions needing the right answers. Got it. Put he is very shaken otherwise. And that’s on top of every decent sized option being declined. Iglesias has a 2.49 ERA in save situations and a 0.73 ERA in savevs. Your squad needs Bauer and one more arm at the very least. What he did do well is step into a game and stop the bleeding, often in the mid-innings, and stabilize the team by pitching a couple of innings. A’s 91-61 I am happy with Iglesias. He’s not an ace, but he may be a very serviceable #5. Astros pitching survived after losing Verlander also surprised me. They shouldn’t have made matters worse buy spending another $128 million on guys like Castellanos and Moose. It’s actually just a measurement of opportunity cost: It’s about theoretically freeing up salary to spend on someone else, in addition to what you get back in the trade. Why is that? The Reds are sending cash in the trade though, Perry “Ya’ll got any more them Iglesisas players”. Sorry you hate the angels, but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Wereall-You’re not telling us Angels fans something don’t already know. I also understand a family not wanting to spend hard earned money at the ballpark of a team who is openly not trying to win. All they need now is 5 starting pitchers and they should be able to contend in the upcoming season. We’re just tired of people in here following the same 2 narrative threads every time the angels make a transaction He has no control, he might’ve hit him by mistake. Part of that certainly *was* due to the competition? They jumped the gun and decided they were contenders way too early. The killer was, on top of it all, losing revenue sharing in 2020. The Reds, for their part, are said to be willing to move right-handed starter Sonny Gray, suggesting the team is interested in shedding salary -- that despite coming off their first playoff appearance since 2013. I don’t think so. Heaney is consistently mediocre, Bundy could revert to pre-2020, young guys are unproven. The Angel fans felt the same way about K-Rod and Percival. Left-hander Amir Garrett already made it clear he wanted the job. It was a solid season, to be sure, but even that career-best year pales in comparison to the best efforts put forth by Iglesias. LOL. Reds should dfa him to be honest and transparent about what’s about to happen with them ! If not for the $9M I would assume it would be a solid prospect to acquire Iglesias… but if the trade was mostly $ cutting based it may not have taken as much to acquire him. An inept organization. If the Reds are starting a fire sale, I hope the Angels go after Gray. Angles, you’re doing it right. The overall value the Reds have gotten out of that deal is quite good. How much of his volatility is the hitter-friendly band-box that is the GABP? Great trade by Perry. Noe was a low cost, low leverage innings eater that served the Angels very well the past few seasons. That’s like 27 teams in the league that needs Bauer and one more arm if they want to compete with what the Dodgers are rolling out there. Wow. Not really, the problem is votto , not castellano or mouse. Which pretty much all their best relievers are FA. The problem is all three. Do the Angels need to go out and get two top tier starters? Koamalu- I believe you’re right in that Iglesias is a better RP than letme… is suggesting but one of the best closers in MLB? Each is a capable bat-misser. I wonder if MLB GMs will ever have brains larger than a mosquito. Angels seem to be stocking up on Iglesias’s, If starting pitching is going to continue to be an issue for the team than a shutdown closer is certainly a very good addition.